Monday, February 4, 2008

A New Mystery

I seem to have a new mystery to ponder. My Carlisle family is mentioned on pages 158-159 of:
Massie, Larry B. Potawatomi Tears and Petticoat Pioneers: More of the Romance of Michigan's Past 1992.

I knew that my great-grandfather, (Issac) Ashley Carlisle and his older brother Orville D. Carlisle both served in the 2nd Michigan Cavalry, Co. L. Their aunt/step-mother, Hannah Glover Carlisle, followed the company and later served as a nurse and I wrote about that here. What I hadn't previously heard was that Daniel & Hannah Carlisle objected to Ashley's enlistment and went to Niles and brought him home. He ran away and rejoined the regiment. Hannah decided if she couldn't stop him, she would join him and followed the regiment, cooking, washing and nursing. When Col. Philip Sheridan took command of the regiment Hannah and the other civilians were sent home. It was after this that Hannah went to work for the Sanitary Commision and later the Freedmen's Bureau.

The book says that William Carlisle, age 20, of Edwardsburg joined Company L first. "His cousin, Orville Carlisle, from Buchanan, followed him into the same company." This creates a new mystery for me, as I have nothing about a cousin William.

Daniel Carlisle was born 22 Sept 1797 in Westmoreland County, New Hampshire and died 31 March 1782 in Buchanan, Berrien County Michigan. He was the son of Daniel Carlisle (1767-1822) and Zipporah Wheeler (1772-1831). To the best of my knowledge he was the only son of Daniel & Zipporah. Was there another son that I am unaware of or would William be a more distant cousin?

On the 1860 census I found William Carlyle, age 19, born in Delaware, in Milton, Cass County, MI. He was a farm laborer listed with the family of Jacob Butts or Betts. Also in Milton was the family of James Carlyle, age 36 with wife Rachel, age 35; children, Mary age 16, Robert age 10, Rachel age 8 and Adda 6/12. All were born in Delaware. There is no other Carlyle/Carlile/Carlisle family listed for Cass County. If James and Rachel are the parents of William they were only about 17 & 16 years old when he was born. James could be a brother or cousin of William. I have not located this family on the 1850 census yet but they do not come in a search for Berrien, Cass or St Joseph counties. James and Rachel are still in Cass County in 1870 and I found cemetery records there for them also. I have found no further record for William.

I haven't found any reference to any of my Carlisle line ever living in Delaware. But they did live in Cass County, Michigan for a time.

Daniel and Zipporah Carlisle were married 17 Dec 1795 in Westmoreland, NH. About 1810 they moved to Genesee or Ontario County NY and it is believed that they died in New York. Their son Daniel moved to White Pigeon Prairie, St Joseph County, Michigan in 1839. From 1840 to about 1845 he lived in Edwardsburg, Cass County, Michigan. From 1845 to about 1855 he lived in LaGrange, Cass County, Michigan. From about 1855 until his death in 1872 he lived in Buchanan, Berrien County, Michigan.

Was William really a cousin? Is it possible that based on the names an assumption was made and found it's way into print? I'll be spending some time working on this puzzle I think.


Nikki - Notes of Life said...

Is it possible to contact the writers of the book and enquire about their research into the cousins? I'm sure they'd be willing to help you. Publishers should be able to put you in contact.

Charley "Apple" Grabowski said...

There are some sources listed in the book that I will try and track down. I'm planning a trip to Michigan in April and hope to learn a lot then! Hannah, Daniel and Ashley wrote letters to each other during the war and they were donated to the University of Michigan. They are also supposed to have a compiled genealogy that I'm hoping was done by Hannah's daughter, Arabella.

Tex said...

My grandmother used to talk about "shirt-tail relatives." I have come to understand this term to mean they were related but she didn't know exactly how. I think "cousin" was sometimes used in the same manner. Nevertheless, you have a fun chase in front of you--and you just never know where it's going to lead.

Charley "Apple" Grabowski said...

Hi Tex,

The mysteries keep it interesting. If I don't find the answer at UM then I'll be chasing down yet another line of Carlisle's to see where they lead.

Anonymous said...

Apple, I believe you will find James and Rachel on the 1850 Census of Sussex Co, DE, page 87, in Cedar Creek Hundred, family #1298, listed as:
James H Carlisle, age 27
Rachael Carlisle, age 26
Mary E Carlisle, age 7
Ruth Carlisle, age 3
Robert Carlisle, age 1

There are several William Carlisles in this county, but I can't tell from the census if any of them are the one you're looking for.


Charley "Apple" Grabowski said...


Thanks for finding this for me! Now I have a place to start looking further into this family.

Anonymous said...

Carlisle: your first generation:

From: History of Westmoreland, NH (pg 367)
David Carlisle (1). He was born in Europe, probably Scotland ca. 1702/3, son of --? David was in New England and was of Concord, and then Lunenburg and then Harvard, Massachusetts. He m. in Scotland, perhaps, 1728/9, Lettice a/k/a Laurice . (b. 1705, dau. of ----).
We do not know where David was born at this time. Could have been Ireland, but I believe him to be Scottish and related to William Carlisle. David’s wife Lettice was as much as a hearty pioneer as her husband. They settled in Westmoreland, NH at an early date. He was one the signers from Lunenburg on 31 Dec., 1746 for a “Petition for Protection of Township No. 4.” This is an historic document for Cavendish, for many of the settlers who came to the Black River Valley came from the towns of Lunenburg, Leominster, Groton, Townsend, Harvard, Bolton, and Lancaster. Many were men who signed this petition. I have been researching the B. R. V. families for over 30 years, and know many names on these lists. Some of them came to the little hamlet of Baltimore, Vermont and made it buzz as a thriving community in the early 1800s. David Carlisle, however, would not live to see it happen. He would be pleased to know that we are remembering all his sacrifices as a pioneer. Especially in caring for all his kin, surviving and becoming the grandfather of many more pioneer families. This children and grandchildren of men like David Carlisle, helped contribute to the population boom in Vermont at the turn of the century. I have been thinking of this David and trying to find the link, but historically there seems to be no records. I do belive, however, that he was related to William Carlisle. Perhaps an Uncle who came from England as a soldier and decided to stay. More research would have to be done. David and Laurice had only three children who survived to adulthood: Daniel David and Lettice who married Samuel McCracken.
David Carlisle d. in Westmoreland, NH, 1769 (age 67). He left his Last Will and Testament at Lunenburg, and it was probated in Worcester Coutny Probate Court, Case Number 9976. (Index Index to Probate Reecords,1731-1881)
Laurice Carlisle d. in Westmoreland, NH, 7 March, 1791 (age 86).

Anonymous said...

Your Carlisle family part 2


1. Elizabeth, b. Concord, Mass. 22 Oct., 1730 ....... d. Lunenburg, 21 April, 1740
2. Margaret, b. Concord, 16 March, 1732 ....... d. Lunenburg, 26 May, 1740
3. David, b. Concord, 1 July, 1733 ....... d. Lunenburg 12 May, 1740
4. John, b.-- ....... d. Lunenburg 7 May, 1740
5. Daniel, b. Harvard, 30 Oct., 1738
6. David, b. Lunenburg 20 Feb., 1740. He m. Leominster, 11 Feb., 1765, Sarah Cummings (b. Lunenburg, 30 June, 1740, dau. of Samuel & Sarah (Hastings) Cummings). To proce his worthiness as a scholarly young man, in 1776, David served on the Committee of Safety. David was elected captain of the First Company of Colonel Abijah Stearns Worcester County Regiment during the Revolution. In 1795, David Jr. had his own printing office in Walpole. He had an apprentice that year, Joseph Tinker Buckingham from Windham, Connecticut. Joe was 16 years old. His father was a shoemaker and held public office back in Windham. Mr. Buckingham served gallantly through the Revolutionary War as a captain of his company. David admired the father, and agreed to take in his son for 6 months. David taught Buckingham a good deal of the techniques of early printing presses. David also gained a knowledge from the young man’s intuitiveness, energy and personality. He was sad to see Buckingham leave to take on a paid position at the Greenfield Gazette in Greenfield, Massachusetts, then owned and edited by Thomas Dickman. David d. in Walpole, NH, 7 Dec., 1797 (age 58). Sarah d. in Walpole, 28 Oct., 1838 (age 99).
Children (born Lunenburg):
1. Sarah, b. 25 May, 1765.
2. Samuel, b. 2 Nov., 1766
3. John, b. Walpole, 17 April, 1768. He m. Rebecca . (b. 1768). John d. in Walpole, 10 Feb., 1833 (age 65). Rebecca d. 21 Aug., 1848 (age 80).
4. Lattice, b. Walpole, 20 Nov., 1769. She d. in Walpole, Feb., 1825.
5. David III, b. Walpole, 23 Aug., 1771. He m. in Worcester, June, 1795, Mary “Polly” Stowell. He d. in New York 16 Dec., 1835.
6. Daniel, b. Walpole, 16 April, 1773. He d. in Walpole, 14 March, 1813.
7. Levi, b. Walpole, 8 Jan., 1775. He d. in St. Clair, Michigan, 1854
8. Nancy Ann, b. Chelsea, Vt., 18 Feb., 1779. Nancy d. in Brownington, Vermont 2 May, 1836.
10. Captain Thomas, b. 27 Jan., 1781. He d. in Lancaster, NH, 9 Aug., 1844.
11. Mary “Polly” b. Lunenburg, 22 May, 1782. Mary moved to Kimball (Iron Co.) Michigan
12. Anson, b. Worcester, Mass., 20 Aug., 1785
13. Asa, b. Vermont, 27 Oct., 1808. He m. Lucy B. Martin. He d. in Notawa, Michigan, 1880.
7. Lettice, b. Lunenburg 6 Sept., 1742. She m. Lunenburg, 8 Dec., 1762, Samuel McCrakin of Worcester.
8. John, b. Lunenburg 24 Jan., 1745

Anonymous said...

Your Carlisle family part 3

Daniel Carlisle (2) {David (1)}, was born in Harvard, Massachusetts, 30 Oct., 1738. He m. 1st 7 March, 1766, Lydia Conant (b. Concord, Mass., 12 Aug., 1737). Lydia d. in Westmoreland, NH, 27 April, 1774. He m. 2nd, 25 Jan., 1776, Lydia Pierce (b. Attleboro, Mass., 22 Aug., 1756, dau. of Benjamin & Elizabeth (Darby) Pierce).
Daniel came to Westmoreland, NH early. He lived on a farm later owned by Edward Butterfield and in 1970 by Donald Hale, where in 1801, Mr. Carlisle kept a public house. He was a Revolutionary soldier, present at the Battle of Bunker Hill. He was a Captain and commanded a company in Northern Continental Army in Colonel Timothy Bedel’s Regiment of “Rangers.” His company of 45 men were mustered at Charlestown 24 Feb., 1776, with Elisha Whitcomb 1st Lt., Ephraim Stone as 2nd Lt. and Aaron Smith as Ensign. The Company was stationed at Otter Creek 1 March, 1776. Under date of 9 Aug., 1776, Capt. Carlisle was sent to get troops across Lake Champlain. For want of sufficient boats to transport the men, he was unable to do as ordered and for this he was unjustly reprimanded by Lt. Colonel Waite. He felt that the censure was undeserved and on the moment, drew his sword and would have struck Colonel Waite had not one of his company stepped out of the ranks and with a sudden blow, knocked him down and resumed his place before the Capt. could recover himself. Capt. Carlisle was cashiered and sent home in disgrace for behavior unbecoming an officer. He was a good citizen and a good soldier and a true patriot.
Daniel Carlisle d. on his farm in Westmoreland, NH 29 Oct., 1794. His widow and second wife Lydia outlived him many years. She d. 12 Sept., 1856 (age 100 yrs. 21 days).

Anonymous said...

Your Carlisle family part 4.

(please contact me for more information). Thank you for your work.

Daniel Carlisle III (4), Daniel (3), Daniel (2), David (1)}, was born in Westmoreland, New Hampshire, 22 Sept., 1797. He m. 1st in Ontario Co. NY, 1829, Louisa Lewis Glover (b. Mass., 1807, dau. of Daniel & Tamesin (Hall) Glover of Bristol, NY).
They lived in Bristol until 1836 when they moved to Gaines. By 1840, they had migrated to Edwardsburg (Cass County) Michigan. In 1850 they lived in LaGrange on their own farm valued at $1,000.
Louisa died in Edwardsburg, ca. 1851. Daniel m. 2nd, 11 July, 1852 (his wife’s young sister) Hannah Lewis Glover (b. Phelps, NY, 22 April, 1823).
This marriage was mighty necessary for Daniel. He had a houseful of children to keep fed, clothed and disciplined. He needed a mother for them. Hannah was the “aunt” who became a substitute mother for her sister’s children, and then had two little ones of her own later. In 1860, Dan with his younger 2nd wife, by 25 years, was farming in Buchanan in Berrien County. They had a small place valued only at $150 back then. They had $300 in personal property assessed. At home with she and Daniel in 1860 were Orville, Tamesin, Mary, Ashley, Fanny and Hannah’s youngest one, Arabella (age 3). Daniel raised his family in Michigan on his farm south of Buchanan in Berrien County.